Centurion - Defender of Rome

[Kosta]

Feel free to comment and discuss this game here. Also, if you have any useful tips or tricks don't hesitate to share them with the others! Thanks!

Review and download (if available) (http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/23/Centurion+-+Defender+of+Rome.html)

[Anonymous]

This is simple and very good game. There is a little hint you may find amusing. Conquer all lands, but leave Egypt for the end. Then when you finally attack Egypt, you will talk with Cleopatra. Well dont go to battle, but make alliance with her. Then she will ask you to set the tax level for her people, and you set the lowest one. Use this "good will" talking and answers. You will find yourself on a party with her as you are now masters of the world, and as you speak wisely, you will get Cleopatra in the bed :))
Try it if you don't belive it.

marko_river

[snorri]

weee! there had to be something!

tell me, if i`m only able to hear internal speaker sounds? have i just ruined the installation, and redo it? i can`t remember these sounds when playing it on amiga500-console.

[FreeFreddy]

This is simple and very good game. There is a little hint you may find amusing. Conquer all lands, but leave Egypt for the end. Then when you finally attack Egypt, you will talk with Cleopatra. Well dont go to battle, but make alliance with her. Then she will ask you to set the tax level for her people, and you set the lowest one. Use this "good will" talking and answers. You will find yourself on a party with her as you are now masters of the world, and as you speak wisely, you will get Cleopatra in the bed :))
Try it if you don't belive it.

marko_river
Fully shown? ;)

[Tom Henrik]

FreeFreddy.... :rolleyes:

Stop thinking about sex!

[FreeFreddy]

Ok, then I'll have just to try the game out to find out... :rolleyes:

[Maikel]

shown in 256 color , 320x200 goodness!~ :rolleyes:

[maDbiL]

I need help,can someone teach how to win the chariot game n i cant seem to get gladiatior show,saying that i cant afford it or something

[gdp2000]

Originally posted by maDbiL@Oct 1 2004, 05:05 PM
I need help,can someone teach how to win the chariot game n i cant seem to get gladiatior show,saying that i cant afford it or something
First of all I think you should register.

For the charriot race I have no hint. I can't win it too.

For the gladiators you have to earn some money, which you can earn by increasing taxes I think.

Hope I can help

c ya
gdp2k

[FreeFreddy]

Originally posted by gdp2000@Oct 3 2004, 05:07 PM
First of all I think you should register.
Just register for that one question? No real need. ;)

[TheVoid]

About gladiator show, you need 50 bucks in order to buy an amphyteatre, and then at least 20 to pay minimum class gladiators.
Note that sparing a fighter is many times better than killing him.

As for chariots.....you must have a very sensitive hand with the mouse, and try not to get in other chariots' way....maybe later I'll have more useful advice.

Btw, it seems the more country you've conquered. the easier you'll success in getting diplomatic alliances ;)

A good way to make an alliance is to be diplomatic, than sound aggressive and finally offer alliance, asking for low, or in some cases normal tribute. This works most of the time. :)

[Uriel]

chariots - just stay on the right side of the road and speed max (exept turns). you will always win.

[marko river]

Originally posted by Uriel@Oct 31 2004, 02:26 PM
chariots - just stay on the right side of the road and speed max (exept turns). you will always win.
That's true. Chariot will broke if you start turning with too much speed. If you don't won't to slow down and I'm sure you you don't, right your chariot on the right side of the path. You should win easily.
If I remember good, there is a line that shows your speed and line that shows, well, I'm not sure how to say it, where is your position on the path. So if you start turning with greater speed chariot will crash.

[Vim Fuego]

Great game, but does anyone have a full list of all the controls and things? It's a bit confusing, particularly the arcad segments like the gladiator fight and naval battles.

[marko river]

Is there any way to turn off music in the gane, since I really don't like Speaker???

[Dream]

Originally posted by marko_river@Nov 6 2004, 12:32 PM
Is there any way to turn off music in the gane, since I really don't like Speaker???
ctrl+s should do it.

[Mydgard]

Only some tips as i playeds this GREAT game for years :D

Chariot race: Take a light one drive to the right and push the left mouse button to increase speed ... when you reach maximum speed stop using the left mouse you will need the strenght of the horses for maximum speed later one perhaps! Never move over the white line showing in the speed battle ... if you do chariot will broken in curves ...
You could also buy a bigger chariot and try to ram other chariots :ok:

About Alliances: Will only work if the other countrys see your strength! So you have to come with consular army maxed with all soldiers (6000 soldiers, 600 horses) There are only some countrys who will made alliances:
Hispania, Great Britain, Dalmatia, Alpes, Mauretania, Egypt, Arabia, Armenia, Pontus, Greece, syria and the hugh land in the middle north (forgot the name)

Hint for gladiators show: You have to bring the happyness to max ... thats quiet easy and cheap: take the worst gladiator and as enemy the worst fattest tiger, than go near to tiger but not as near as you could ... than block (down button) tiger will try to hit you, but miss because you are too long away, but tiger also won't move on because you are near enough (must be a bug or so? :D ) anyway, after about 2 mins, happyness is max, than you can hit tiger 5-10 times until he is dead :ok:

Worst Enemys: Parthia (2400 horsewarriors) and Scythia (1800 horse warriors), egypt (120 war elefants) carthago (80 war elefants and 600 horses)

Thats all ... have fun!

Mydgard

[Shambler]

This is gonna sound really retarded, but oh well. How exactly does one attack in the gladiator game? I keep getting my head handed to me because all I can do is block.

[Steve]

Originally posted by marko_river@Nov 6 2004, 12:32 PM
Is there any way to turn off music in the gane, since I really don't like Speaker???
Ctrl+S

[Hari Seldon]

:blink:

Anyone noticed the similarity between Centurion and Rome:Total War :whistle:

[goblins]

Well a lot of modern games take pure ideas from older games add some graphics a lot of complexity and do it over again. Of course it would be all new code and that but nothing wrong with reimplementing new ideas - look at all the space trading games they all have the same idea - its just the extra complexity etc and graphics that set them apart.

[Mott]

Thanx for the tips Mydgard!

I have been looking for alliances: what exactly is that they do?

[Mydgard]

Originally posted by Mott@Dec 29 2004, 05:03 PM
Thanx for the tips Mydgard!

I have been looking for alliances: what exactly is that they do?
Alliance means: You haven't to fight them ... you gain control of the new country immediately! Second you can regrow your own army (or build a new one) as the normal army is still in place ready to work for your armies! You should also set taxes to none until the happyness is at it's best (content) then the lowest taxes!

About alliances: You'll have to try around ... some leaders like the diplomatic way, other like more agressive ways ...

Mauretania: first diplomatic, than aggressive, than alliance ... (i think, haven'T played for a looooong time)

[Frustrated]

PLEASE HELP!! I CANT ATTACK BRITTANIA OR THAT ISLAND BY ITALY. Ok, im done with the caps lock. Anyways, its really frustrating, because i own the entire rest of the world, and all but Rome are content. Any advice?

[DSmidgy]

Build a fleet (about 20, 30 biggest ships (maby more)), then imedietly move the legion into the fleet (because unmaned fleet is easy to destroy). Then move the fleet close to the island, right-click on the fleet and move the legion to an island and battle begins ....

[JudgeDeadd]

Originally posted by Shambler@Nov 9 2004, 09:53 PM
This is gonna sound really retarded, but oh well. How exactly does one attack in the gladiator game? I keep getting my head handed to me because all I can do is block.
Try numeric 1.

[Guest]

In the chariot races I am trying to stay on the left. I think you take the turns faster that way. You would at least in the real world.

I found the manual here : http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?name...efender+of+Rome (http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?name=Centurion%3A+Defender+of+Rome)

[Frankie]

I managed to make many nations my ally but I see Mydgard gone further. I don't remembver if I ever succeeded to make Pontus, Armenia or any country in the north (except Britanny) and the ones that I forgot.

So here are my observations about making allies:

Phoenician-ruled nations - except Cartahgo (Hispania, Sicily): diplomatic, agressive, o.a.

barbarians (Britanny, Dalmatia, Arabia, Mauretania and almost Scythia [they'll never join] ): agressive, o.a.

Greek-cultured nations (Macedonia, Thracia): diplomatic, diplomatic, o.a.

pirates/raiders (Cilicia, Cyrenacia): friendly, o.a.

Egypt (heh, only for the solidity http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/happy/1464.gif): friendly. friendly, o.a.

And there are Narbonensis and Mesopotamia. I think the first is diplomatic, agressive, o.a. the second might be a simple agressive, tho I wouldn't call the people of that land barbarians. I'm sure I managed to make both my allies, but now I don't remember with which attitude. I'm only sure that dipl/agr 's combo will be effective.

If you have any other nation's attitude I'd appreciate your tips.

[Frankie]

Edit: I managed to make an alliance with Armenia: diplomatic, diplomatic, o.a.

Arabia: dipl. , agr. , o.a.

Mesopotamia: dipl. , dipl. , o.a.

[william_is_bob]

Not even total war: Rome has as much other fun elements, like participate in games and negotiate with seperate heads of states, although the 3D battles is alot better than centurion i have ot say, but it gets old.

As for chariot race, the trick is to pick the lightest chariot, and take the left side without crashing into other chariots. Once to get into the inside lane, just beat the horse untilt o ge the max speed and maintain it and ride all the wau to the end, you have to make sure you can get to the inside lane wihtotu bumping into other chariots and have no other chariots in your way. It is a bug, I remember years ago, that if you do it at the right time, you never loose a race, I use to make aseveral years pay for my troops in the circus, I got so good that i dont even gather taxes anymore.

And getting laid by cleopatra is true, I did it myself, you just see some skin and some flirting and that is it, no need to piss your pants over it.

Other than that, the game gets real old pretty quick. Someone suggested that you pull all the troops back and raise taxes and let every province rebel reconquer them over again, that is if you are bored and do not have other old dos games to play with. Which I have to say that Total War: Rome is merely a adequet sequel to centurion. Which makes you wonder, if all the good game ideas have been done and over with.

W

[Frankie]

Or just play on senator level without reloads...

[Guest]

I'm having trouble making the citizens in Italia content. I conquered Dalmatia and Sicily, and they are both content, but Italia is still angry/restless all of the time. Am I missing something? Cause I have had several full-happy gladiator battles in Italia.

[another_guest]

These gladiator shows probably cost you more than the taxes you're getting from Italia, so you could try lowering the tax level for Italia.
Sometimes it took me 10 years of no taxes and lots of games to please the Brits. But then that was necessary in order to finish the game: to do so, none of your provinces should be "rebellious". In that aspect, "restless" is certainly no problem, while "angry" is a bit of a risk.

[Mac]

Hi , Can any one of you tell me how to run most of games here (16bit) under windows xp ?? (16 bit)
I would appreciate this .


p.s. Centurio - great game , i lost much of my childhood time on it :D
I remember there was an easy way to always win chariot race with just pressing the up arrow key , But it was so long time ago , i dont remember exactly .

[Arminius]

hey there, does anybody know the key answers which are asked when you start up the game? :help:
with the right answer in the beginning the game will be much easier...

[another_guest]

Does that really make a difference in difficulty? :blink:

I always ignored the question right away.

[hessekopp]

NICE GAME, alittle bit easy on easy :whistle: but thats what the word easy stands for! tzzzzz.. i like that game. i will rate it with a 4.

[Christian IV]

:blink: :blink:
I was getting centurion and cohort mixed up....centurion looks
quite interestng, what a great progression from the early games
of roman history into Caesar I, II and III, quite a literature

valle

:ok:

[Mune]

This is a great game, too bad it's overly easy. The below strategy has worked 100% of the battles for me, and isn't a cheat, but if you want to figure out your own strategy, I advise not reading:

The way to win every battle is rather simple. Choose the standard/normal position for your army every single battle. Then, have your men hold still until the enemy is directly in front of you. Right then, click the button that brings up the tactics menu, and click "Melee".

If you go standard, wait until they are close, then melee them, you will win every battle, even if outnumbered. I think I might have lost 1 battle during the many times I've played this game, only because I got too cocky, and attacked with a less-than-half-strength army.

[MadMarius]

had this game once...on my cd....lost the cd...AND THEN THE ESA CAMED AND BLASTED EVERITHIG!what's with those people anyway?
the game is great altough i found it dificult to play especialy whei i ran out of troops and all of my enemies attacked at once...sadik :tomato:
i liked when i fought in arenas altough i didn't know what button to push.but the charriot race?a pain in the neck...all in all the game is great. LOL

[another_guest]

On the 2 easiest levels it's really easy. Above that my troops always panicked far too quickly.
What's also annoying is that the Brits usually stayed rebellious for a couple of years or even decades, no matter what I did (no tribute, lots of games). At least it mattered when I tried to finish the game as early as possible.

[Kearnsy]

For those rebelious nations I either have low or no tribute or just keep a small army behind to stop them nice and quick.
In Italia I tried to keep them happy but in the end it is costing me less to have no tribute than to continually have gladiator matches.

[Anonimous fan]

Hi there, just discovered this site and that some ppl still play this good oooold game.

Just some tips i remember:
- Making alliances is good, the province starts from allied status instead of occupied, that means more taxes. Usually your army has to outnumber theirs to succeed w/ negotiations plus
use the proper order of sentences. Some countries are tricky, for Sardine, Pontus and 2 others you have to bring only a small army to show good intentions,
for Cilicia, have to plunder a province beforhand to show you are thief like them.
- On low difficulty, the game is a joke and boring, play at least on senator level.
- You can stop the battle by pressing space or enter, and then give commands to each cohort - supposed they are close enough to the general to hear him.
Anyway i found it easier to play with keys rather than mouse.
- On senator level, a cohort of yours won't stand against an enemy unit face-to-face (unless the enemy is coward), manouver and attack from a side or from back,
or from more directions simultaneously.
- Elephants grind foot soldiers in the ground, run from their path. If routed, however, they kill their own infantry as well.

[Christian IV]

:blink: :blink:
Maybe some of you old Centurion hands can help me out,
i tried the game but could not get far cause when there was
a battle, i kept loosing, is there a knack to attacking in any
certain way, you can attach in various formations, but
none of them seemed to help, and "my" Romans kept
getting wiped out.

Also the chariot race, that is a puzzler, i could not seem
to figure out how to turn the chariot i was driving
and kept runing in to the wall, and could not find a manual
or directions for this part. perhaps i just missed some
simple controls that were staring right at me,
any help would be appreciated.

so far, i make a lousy Roman leader, but remain hopeful

:bye:

[another_guest]

As long as you play on the easiest difficulty levels, the best tactic is for your troops to stand still and let the enemy advance. While the enemy marches up to your troops, they will be under attack, giving your soldiers quite an advantage.

If possible, take out the enemy general (this works particularly well for huge armies where the general is in front of his troops). This will dishearten the enemy soldiers.

I've never won more than a handful of chariot races, but the only keys I used were the arrow keys. So I guess the left arrow allows you to get through a bend, perhaps only when you're not going too fast at that point.

If it's the first time you play the game, I suggest you start at the lowest difficulty level to learn the knack of the game. Though Anonimous fan is right that it's too easy after a while on that level.

[Shrek]

Originally posted by Christian IV@Jun 28 2005, 11:16 PM


Also the chariot race, that is a puzzler, i could not seem
to figure out how to turn the chariot i was driving
and kept runing in to the wall, and could not find a manual
or directions for this part. perhaps i just missed some
simple controls that were staring right at me,
any help would be appreciated.


like another guest said, you only need to use the arrow keys to contol it and also, you have to "brake" when you come near the point to turn. chariots don' t have ABS and "stability control" :evil: like our modern cars, so if you are going to fast, there' s no way to turn it :wall:

[Christian IV]

:bye: :bye:
thanks guys, much appreciated the suggestions,
i did manage to get well into the game last night, figured out
the chariot races, managed some gladiator combats without
too much emberasment, and even managed quite a few battles,
yes, waiting for them to come up and then doing the mellee did it well
except for one army which keeps appearing with lots of elephants
unless the romans have tons of men, they get wiped out every time
those elephants are tough!

now the only puzzle remains the fleet or naval actions, i am still
figuring out the movment keys for that, the numerical keys do
verious things......

the pesky barbarians are quite a problem, i kept losing Italia,
and then had to try to build my armies back up so i could re take it,
so i now am doing much better but have a lot to learn still. i see
it takes a lot of ships to transport an army over water, does anyone know
if it is possible to invade Britainium? havent been able to get up there yet
which would be nice historicaly
thanks for the help and suggeestions much much appreciated
by this humble centurion
:cheers:

[another_guest]

For naval actions, use the arrow keys and space bar to fire (in order to set the enemy ship on fire).

You can indeed invade Britain, but as you said it takes quite a fleet to transport a decent army. And it's similar for Sardinia (west of Rome), you'll also need a fleet to reach that.

Good luck!

[Guest]

:ok: :ok:
Thanks Another Quest, i did manage to do better last night,
i kept at a fairly low level at first, and got enough legions that
i did nto get wiped out by the incessant revolts that keep happenings,
and i even did better with those six elephant armies, they were tough
at the higher levels, so bit by bit i moved out into the Empire, i even
figured out how many ships you need to move a Legion, (between 40 and 60
depending on how large the army is, between a legion and a consular army)
and found directions for the amiga version of Centurion that work for
DOS, basically it is the same as the chariot race, 8 goes faster, 2 slower,
4 left turn, 6 right turn, space bar for catapult, and enter key for lowering
the boarding bridge. I even beat one flag ship but the nast game with its
quirks of fate, took away my victory, saying that even though I beat the
enemy admiral and flagship, the rest of my fleet was lousy sailors and i lost
anyway.

evneually i learned to run away from naval fights, when attacked, R key,
and kept my fleets intact for moving armies. Finally i got everyone occupied,
though not totally happy, the Romans and the British both keep not wanting
to be happy, and when i finally got ot Egpypt , that minx Cleopatra would NOT
get friendly with me, she kept telling me to go away no matter what combination
of friendly and diplomatic i used, so are you supposed to be aggressive with her
first? i could not get past the "go away" result with her yet, but will try again
tonight, maybe i need to have all my provinces and colonies totally happy,
i can try some more races, though i never got very good at them.

so i think i have almost figured this one out, if anyone has any suggestions about Cleopatra.
cheers :ok: :ok:

[Guest]

I've got a copy now but when I run it in ms dos prompt it just doesn't work. Is there something I need or should it being able to run in msdos?

[another guest]

Originally posted by Guest@Sep 21 2005, 05:03 PM
I've got a copy now but when I run it in ms dos prompt it just doesn't work. Is there something I need or should it being able to run in msdos?
I don't remember if I could run it in the Dos prompt; however you can always try running it in Dosbox (which you can download together with a manual here on Abandonia). It certainly should work that way!

[PrejudiceSucks]

Use D-Fend - it makes things a lot easier.

[Guest_Hari Seldon]

There's another easter egg apart from getting laid by Cleopatra :kosta:

:D :D :D When movin your mouse over France - there were the village of Asterix & Obelix is... the text with 'all of France, no one little village... etc.' :D :D :D

Have patience! You have to conquer France AND move your mouse VERY sensitively over the map... it's a pixel-fine easter egg that I remember from playing the game. :ok:

[piller]

Originally posted by maDbiL@Oct 1 2004, 05:05 PM
I need help,can someone teach how to win the chariot game n i cant seem to get gladiatior show,saying that i cant afford it or something
it's easy, at beginer level you just have to click and move your chariot right where nobody will bother you. Start at easy level.

[Vitas]

Oh yeah, this game features everything a roman warrior could want... conquer the known world, get cleopatra and be named emperor...and perhaps be killed on the Ides of March:)

[*Happy*]

Ah, this game. So simple, yet so good, so addictive. A must-try. Nothing more need be said.

[*Happy*]

Originally posted by another_guest+Nov 19 2005, 12:45 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (another_guest @ Nov 19 2005, 12:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-Guest@Nov 19 2005, 11:15 AM
Where is teh manual!
Feel free to ask what you want to know, I've never seen or used a manual; the whole game is pretty straight-forward so it should be easy for us to explain. [/b][/quote]
I think a manual (or maybe a walkthrough with all controls listed) was available somewhere on the net. I remember everything in the land battles was done by mouse, while the gladiator fights, chariot races and ship battles used the arrow keys (for the gladiators you need to press 2 keys at once to perform certain attacks). The ship battles also use the enter key and space bar. That's all there is to it.

[pdubs]

I loved this game when it first came out. I remember stumbling across that bit during negotiations with Cleopatra - you don't have to wait until the end, but you need to be pretty powerful for it to work.

Here's another trick - instead of paying big-time for the best gladiators, get two cheap ones, and then just defend with your shield the whole fight. You can watch the crowd get worked up, and once they are maxed out, end the battle and you will have a happy Rome.

[Raasted]

Yeah, it really is a shame - not being able to download Centurion anymore - great game!

'bout the chariot-racing-thing - as said before in the thread: Not too much speed in the start of the race, and keep right - everything will be fine.... (Shulduggery is another option) - and of course buying the best chariot also helps...

Concerning the diplomatic solution when "invading" other parts of Europe - what's the fun part of that? Everybody wants to killkillkill - not talk your way through :sniper:

/Raasted :bye:

[Kearnsy]

Well actually its more like killkillkill until 2 soldier die then runrunrun!
ahh, when will those Gauls learn. :D

[another_guest]

The best are the large tribes that have their general ride in front. Finish him, which will cause most of the troops to flee or become disheartened --> less casualties for you, and a big population to raise more armies :)

On the easier difficulty levels, having your soldiers stand fast and slaughter the oncoming troops works like a charm. Too bad it doesn't really work on harder settings...

[Raasted]

Too bad it doesn't really work on harder settings...

Au contraire! :Titan:

The game would be a very short pleasure if you, even on the harder setting, could order "Stand firm", do nothing at all - and win the battle....It's much more fun when you have to form your army in a Wedge, and then use the "Cannae Tactics" - watch as they think you're running away and then just :sniper: boom :D

(And yes, I chose to ignore your sarcasm :cheers: )

/Raasted

[another_guest]

Originally posted by Raasted@Apr 21 2006, 05:13 PM
...

(And yes, I chose to ignore your sarcasm :cheers: )
:D

Well, on the hardest difficulty level I've always found that your soldiers start panicking way too fast. If the Roman legionnaires had been like that, they wouldn't even have reached the Alpes :bleh:

The "challenge" on the easier levels is to conquer the world as fast as possible. Usually hindered by at least 1 country that won't be satisfied even after 10 years in a row of the most expensive games... Sweet memories...

[Sashanan]

Saw a couple of posts regarding alliances, thought I'd chime in: you can ally with nearly every nation on the map, but the requirements vary a lot. A good rank is a requirement for many of them to even talk to you (and give a favorable response even if you take the 'right' route to the conversation), so a couple of alliances aren't all that feasible in practice.

Still, the only countries I know of that you can't forge alliances with at all are Narbonensis, Sarmatia, Dacia and Carthage, and two with which it's supposed to be possible but bugged are Scythia (refuse every level of tribute, including low) and that one in Africa, Cyrenaica (can't seem to get the right thread going although poking around in memory with a hex editor reveals it should be there).

Some of the trickier countries:

- Gaul and Germania both require you to outnumber them, which even a consular army can't do. You'd need to fight and weaken them, then lose the battle and come back later to press them into an alliance.

- Cilicia requires you to have a somewhat questionable reputation or they won't trust you (them being a pirate nation). If too many of your provinces are content they won't want an alliance; setting tax to irritating for a turn before talking to them can do the trick, but if you overdo it they'll refuse any conversation, just like everybody if half your realm is revolting.

- A couple of nations including Sicilia and Pontus actually require you to bring in a very small army - to show your good intentions - and then do Friendly, Friendly, Offer Alliance - they'll instantly cut off the convo at the first friendly calling you a liar if you bring in too many men.

- Some countries including Alpes require an unlikely conversation thread going through like five or six options including the whole friendly/diplomatic/aggressive range before going offer alliance. Took me a while to figure those out. Best as I can tell, though, there isn't a single province in the game where Ultimatum has any use.

[Japo]

BAAAH! Just crush them with your legions! :Titan: :tomato:

[another_guest]

What's the advantage of an alliance, except that you don't have to fight? Just wondering... I've finished the game plenty of times, but never managed to get an alliance, in the end just settled for the quickest conversations before plunging into war.

[Goodguy3]

hmmmm...wehn i try to run it in dosox it claims that the program is not found and exits..help!

nevermind i got it *hits self with hammer"

[Guest]

@ another guest: As someone told us earlier and as i tell you now:

- No Fight, your army stays at prior size
- peoples are more satisfied with you as you were friendly to them, will play more taxes
- you can strengthen your army / new army as their normal army size are ready to fight for you

[Guest]

Honigsammler has a question:
-----------------------------------

hi - this game is just great -

agree that i should be played on harder difficulties, once you get a bit familar with the controls and stuff -

i have a question - what are the requirements to become a consul ? - or how are the ranks defined in general ?

is it just TIME, population, conquered nations ?

i had once just a test game where i stayed in one country (all other was conquered with the ongoing years and just clicked next year all the time - and i became a consul -

just wanted to know how can i "influence" this, or is it just a matter of time with the ranks ?

[another_guest]

There seems to be a direct link between number of conquered nations and rank in the sense that as of 3 countries you'll get promoted, etc. (I think it was 11 or 13 countries for consul) No idea how it works when you loose countries though.
Probably there are other factors that can get you promoted as well. But time isn't necessary: if you conquer nations faster you'll get promoted anyway regardless of the year you are in.

[Guest]

thx for the answer, the number of conquered nations was also my first guess -

however, as mentioned in one game (which i made just to save game with different ranks) i just conquered one or two nations and also got consul - just by clicking next year on and on - (i made this just because i was bored . but as i found out that the ranks increased also, i continued)

i would be also interested in a manual which could probably bring some more light into this

[Guest]

Gladiator controls;

Keypad
8 Shield Up
4 Move Forward
6 Move Backward
2 Duck behind Shield
1 Swipe

thats the only controls you need to win any fight :)

[Don_Brian]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Sep 3 2006, 05:47 AM) 252525</div>
thx for the answer, the number of conquered nations was also my first guess -

however, as mentioned in one game (which i made just to save game with different ranks) i just conquered one or two nations and also got consul - just by clicking next year on and on - (i made this just because i was bored . but as i found out that the ranks increased also, i continued)

i would be also interested in a manual which could probably bring some more light into this
[/b]

If i go for a fast game (race a lot of chariots, instead of waiting for tribute), i tend to hit Consul pretty fast. My guess is, it's the amount of money you have collected through the game, or a mix of all the things mentioned so far

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kearnsy @ Apr 21 2006, 01:32 AM) 224463</div>
Well actually its more like killkillkill until 2 soldier die then runrunrun!
ahh, when will those Gauls learn. :D
[/b]

well, this is interrestng. I raised taxes the first turn. I end turn. Rebellion. file not found message, about 4 of them. lost the game, no battle fought. .... fck that.

[Gottfried]

can someone hell p me :sos: , although it seems silly to me, i cant control single units during battle and my general wont move to make a 'aura' upon attacking soldiers.. thx.

[another_guest]

Are the single units you try to control within reach of your general (pause the game, click your general and look at the circle pattern)? You simply can't select those units that are out of his reach...
How are you trying to move your general, what are you doing exactly and what happens? Also note that he can't move inbetween two adjacent units and that nearby units can sometimes prevent him from turning.

[Gottfried]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(another_guest @ Oct 30 2006, 09:18 AM) 264267</div>
Are the single units you try to control within reach of your general (pause the game, click your general and look at the circle pattern)? You simply can't select those units that are out of his reach...
How are you trying to move your general, what are you doing exactly and what happens? Also note that he can't move inbetween two adjacent units and that nearby units can sometimes prevent him from turning.
[/b]

I click it with mouse (left i think) then his way appears as blue line. He never takes a move anyway. And when i change waypoins for either general or unit, they just ignore me :angry: :titan:

[another_guest]

How do you execute those orders?
When you paused the game (for example by pressing space bar) a few buttons will appear at the top of your screen. I don't remember them completely but I think you need to click "ok" before units will carry out your orders ; pressing "melee" or "retreat" will override your commands.

Also, what never worked for me is setting a complicated course for any unit, in the sense of a course that changes direction at some point. The only orders that worked were straight lines.

Can you try first dragging the existing blue line back until it is only a dot. Then release the button. Then start from the dot to set the course (blue line) you want. That is the way I always did it.

[Gottfried]

thx, it worx :ok: Problem was that i forgot to press 'done' button and only unpaused battle ;)

[Immoralista]

Hey Guys, I've read all the post here and now I wonder, is it really just me?

I used to play this game when I was a kid, but back then I didn't think about changing difficulty levels, and finishing this game on the easiest one is, I agree, a very simple task.

Now I'm back to the old world and I switched to "legionaire", the second level. People in this forum are telling me this would be still easy, but I can't seem to advance to the point where you are powerful.


1) I conquer alpes.
2) I conquer Narbonensis and get promoted to centurio.
3) My second army attacks Germany.

This is as far as I get at legionaire... Right after reaching this point, the first barbarian armies spawn. Usually they come from across the sea, so I get my 2 armies to Italy and defend against the intruders.

I am still centurio at that stage, no horses, no chance! The intruders have war elephants and sqash my first army easily. My second wins (with a lot of effort...).

And then, one round or two after that, the next marauder comes in. From now on all I can do is protect myself until finally I'm destroyed.


How you guys do that??? I'm pretty experienced in strategy but this is just not possible...

PS: I tried the melee trick too, but it didn't work, the 8 horses swarmed my troops and soon enough I was running away.

[Mousazz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(maDbiL @ Oct 1 2004, 07:05 PM) 15669</div>
I need help,can someone teach how to win the chariot game n i cant seem to get gladiatior show,saying that i cant afford it or something
[/b]
look at line (or how it's called?) and you'll see that some part of it's is red and other is white. you'll also notice a collum. that collum show's where you are (left or right) and red part is where you can't be (notice that it starts from left and raises then you speed up). Now then you start the race go as far right as possible and speed up as much as possible. then go as far left as you can (don't cross red line!). then you turn right, turn left and you keep still. keep this position until last lap. you might be far away from everyone else, but you have an advantage. that's right! they're exhausted, and you have 1,80 horsepower! go as far left as possible and keep speeding up (no matter if you're enemies were behind before attacking horses). You'll possibly win. if not, keep trying. if you never suceed, don't play that time!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Immoralista @ Dec 4 2006, 03:07 PM) 270206</div>
Hey Guys, I've read all the post here and now I wonder, is it really just me?

I used to play this game when I was a kid, but back then I didn't think about changing difficulty levels, and finishing this game on the easiest one is, I agree, a very simple task.

Now I'm back to the old world and I switched to "legionaire", the second level. People in this forum are telling me this would be still easy, but I can't seem to advance to the point where you are powerful.


1) I conquer alpes.
2) I conquer Narbonensis and get promoted to centurio.
3) My second army attacks Germany.

This is as far as I get at legionaire... Right after reaching this point, the first barbarian armies spawn. Usually they come from across the sea, so I get my 2 armies to Italy and defend against the intruders.

I am still centurio at that stage, no horses, no chance! The intruders have war elephants and sqash my first army easily. My second wins (with a lot of effort...).

And then, one round or two after that, the next marauder comes in. From now on all I can do is protect myself until finally I'm destroyed.


How you guys do that??? I'm pretty experienced in strategy but this is just not possible...

PS: I tried the melee trick too, but it didn't work, the 8 horses swarmed my troops and soon enough I was running away.
[/b]
you must have used fine tuning (turn different settings on differently. for example: chariot race on emperor and fighting on leggionaire) if you turned aggresivenes to maximum no wonder you have those problems. how did i played you ask? well, these armies didn't attack me. so without opposition, i have no enemies, and it's easy (still lose though).

[Guest]

what are the buttons for gladiator fights?

like up down left et cetera?

[Incappucciato d'Ombra]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Mar 24 2007, 11:53 AM) 284780</div>
what are the buttons for gladiator fights?

like up down left et cetera?
[/b]

Below the complete list (as for Gladiator Fights : its are ok, tested before posting; as for the other ... i'm unable to remember where i found the walktrought on the net and if it's originally for the amiga version or Dos version... but i've played the DOS version some month ago with no problem) :

Hot Keys

E = End Turn
F = Complete Fleet List
L = Complete Legion List
P = Complete Provine List
Q = Quit
ESC = Game Control Menu
M = Music On/Off
R = Retreat (in the Water)

Naval Battle
(Use keypad for number)

8 / Up arrow = speed up
4 / Left Arrow = turn left
6 / Right Arrow = turn right
2 / Down Arrow = slow down
space bar = fire catapult
ENTER = Lower boarding ramp.

To flee from battle, move your flagship towards any edge of screen.

Chariot racing
(Use keypad for number)

8 / Up arrow = whip horses
7 = whip opponent on left
9 = whip opponent on right,
4 / Left arrow = move left
6 / Right Arrow = move right
2 / Down arrow = slow down

Gladiator Show
(Use keypad for number)

8 / Up arrow = high block
7 / Home = high strike
4 / Right Arrow = move forward
6 / Left Arrow = move back
2 / Down arrow = low block
1 / End = low strike.

[the guy who asked for the contro]

thanks!

by the way, i have a collection of dos games... from a software called HRS
its a collection of dos games...
though its a kiddy games collection...
played it since 1996... when i was in kindergarten
wonders when my dad bought it... maybe before i was born?

[Guest]

oh yeah...

how do i send my troops on land?

heres an example.

i've controlled all the countries except egypt, brittania, and all the african countries (since i wanna see the cleoparta thing :P)

but anyway, how do i send my legions who are already in the fleets back on land or onto new countries that i wanna conquest?

[Incappucciato d'Ombra]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Mar 28 2007, 02:26 PM) 285317</div>
but anyway, how do i send my legions who are already in the fleets back on land or onto new countries that i wanna conquest?
[/b]

Uhm... well click on the fleet with right mouse and then on the spot (like a "shadowed legion") that appear on nearby conuntry. I hope you don't need the keyboard for this action, because i never found a key to "disembark" legion in doc/manual/walkthrough on the net :huh: (try enter/return/space; this keys generally were used for such kind of action)

[Guest_Chris_*]

Hi, has anybody found a way to negotiate an alliance with one or all of the following provinces:

- Carthago
- Dacia
- Narbonensis
- Parthia
- Sarmatia
- Scythia (is this a bug when you go "agrressive", "offer alliance" and no matter what tribute you require they'll reject your offer or are there any special circumstances that have to be fullfilled in order for them to accept?)

Thus far I managed 20 alliances, even with Cyrenaica. For that one I found a tip on a spanish page which gave some requirements to ally with Cyrenaica:
- you've got to have Cilicia (by alliance) before
- you have to have plundered before and at least one rebellious province
- then you make an alliance with another province (anyone) and in the very next turn you go into Cyrenaica with a bigger army than theirs (they have 2940 men) an go "diplomatic", "diplomatic", "offer alliance"

Seems like a great deal of requiremnts and I don't know if all are really necessary but I did as it was said and I could make an alliance with them.

That leaves the 6 aforementioned provinces as the only ones I didn't make that far. So, if anybody has a clue how to make them work it would be very nice if you could post your suggestions here.

Thank you in advance.

By the way - has the "ultimatum" response ever been useful anywhere? Not for me, but I think the programmers did put it in for reason...

[Guest]

I used to play this game all the time on the Mega Drive :D

Seeing it on here makes me want to go dig it out again.

[doridea]

I did a quick check and found a "manual" for the game at: www.geocities.com/rod_centurion/

It is in english, spanish and french. It looks like it was written for the Amiga version but it has most of the info people are looking for; and with all of the hints you great guys have given over the years, we've pretty much have a complete game manual. Have a look, download, and enjoy.

Your humble servant,

Wuscfrea of Copemantorp

[Tiberius]

Fun game, but what is a decent difficulty to play on? I only lost two battles, the first was when I foolishly marched into Gaul right at the start of the game and the other when I was late in the game when I was up north and forgot to upgrade my first army to cavalry before moving into a territory that had a huge cavalry army. Not long after the game froze. :tai:

[ninjasan8]

In my opinion, you should play through the game on the easiest difficulty once, and then make your way up, increasing the difficulty by one level every time you beat the game. That way, you know where you feel comfortable.

I just beat the game, and the easiest difficulty is way too easy, but if you're a beginner like me, then it's a good idea so you can learn the basics. I'll be sticking around here in case anyone needs any help. :)

[ninjasan8]

Well, recently I finished a complete translation of Rodrigo's excellent Centurion site from Spanish to English. There's a lot of great info there, so be sure to check it out here (http://www.geocities.com/rod_centurion).

[Cold]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tiberius @ Jun 20 2007, 07:57 PM) 295357</div>
Fun game, but what is a decent difficulty to play on? I only lost two battles, the first was when I foolishly marched into Gaul right at the start of the game and the other when I was late in the game when I was up north and forgot to upgrade my first army to cavalry before moving into a territory that had a huge cavalry army. Not long after the game froze. :tai:
[/b]



The faster way to win a battle is to make a troop line and then make it "Stand". Always enemy lines is gonna crush over your troop and suffer loss before they start to fight, giving you an advantage on them

[another_guest]

Another way to play the game is to go on easiest setting (though of course you can try on other settings if you want) and try to conquer the whole world as early as possible.

Don't remember my best years but usually it took me longest to build a decent fleet to invade Britain, then several years of organizing games to get the Brits to get into a calmer mood...

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tiberius @ Jun 20 2007, 06:57 PM) 295357</div>
Fun game, but what is a decent difficulty to play on? I only lost two battles, the first was when I foolishly marched into Gaul right at the start of the game and the other when I was late in the game when I was up north and forgot to upgrade my first army to cavalry before moving into a territory that had a huge cavalry army. Not long after the game froze. :tai:
[/b]

beginner and legionaire is simply crap - if you play the game on this mode you are a wimp
and wimps always strat playing on easy and then say foolish crap like - i was never beaten, the game is too easy -...

start play the game on OVERALL difficulty senator and i promise you some trouble, on beginner or legionaire you cannot lose a battle - that simple

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alex Cold @ Aug 7 2007, 10:46 AM) 303334</div>
The faster way to win a battle is to make a troop line and then make it "Stand". Always enemy lines is gonna crush over your troop and suffer loss before they start to fight, giving you an advantage on them
[/b]

on wimp mode perhaps.

on senator mode enemy arnies often roll over you, and you have to use tactics to win

and i dont mean just set land battles to senator, overall difficulty, than enemies will have bigger armies and overall more trouble, more aenemy army walk around and stuff

[Guest]

I could never get an alliance although I finished the game a couple of times on easiest, I thought you just couldn't do it so after a while I didn't bother with the dialogue anymore - just make them pay for wasting precious time :)

[Japo]

It's been long since I played it but I think that what you needed to get an alliance was to convince them that you could easily kick their behind if they didn't come to terms on their own accord. So you need to be very powerful. But yay for your approach, "just make them pay for wasting precious time", that's basically all you need in this game. :D

[another_guest]

Well, that works on easier difficulty levels; on higher difficulties you'll want to avoid battles and casualties.
Though for quite some time I used to think the diplomatic talks were just there for flavour, that they never worked :P

[Mabuse]

alliances do work. but countries need to have different approaches.

there are lists on the net that describe what to do exactly to convince each country.
(but i did not read them to much, just skimmed over them, as i thought its boring when to know, often it is also that you cannot wait until you have the requirements (army size etc))


often "diplo - diplo - offer allience" work

sometimes you have to scare therm -

"diplo - agressive - offer alliance"


some countries will just never agree to ally.

sometimes it depends also which army you bring. some countries will be impressed by a big army (and see a small army as sign of weakness), other will see it as a sign of hostile (and so negotiations will always fail)

also the third answer should be "offer alliance" because if you talk more th epeople wil also get bored


however, on higher difficulty levels (senator and emperor) it is a gift to avoid a battle ;)

but when i played the game first i also thought they dont work. however, when i played last time i could get two allies. thats always a good thing and help so much :)



in general:
germans and gaul are impressed by really big armies (consular), and maybe you need to be a bit aggressive (but i usually conquer them beofre i get consular armies, because they are an excellent recruiting ground)
some of the "weak" nations feel uncomfortable if you go into them with a too big army
be nice to cleopatra .. good-good-offer-alliance (but dont talk too long, else she get bored - so good-good-good will not get you anywhere)
in general stick with "diplo-diplo-offer alliance" that may work sometimes
some contries (especially the historical enemies of rome (chartage, siciyl, partha and whatnot)) will never ally with rome

[Sebatianos]

OK, never ran into this before - it's a terrible mistake, almost ridicilouslly funny.

My expedition (in 266BC) just found Noa's Ark at mount Ararat and I was promoted for it. Rome wouldn't care about such a thing at thos point in history (so it's been at least 6 centuries too early for it).

[aquila]

Haha I have just finished this game on emperor level, but it's so difficult, had to reload xxx times, and some of the battles are very difficult to win in one go. For example, carthage i beat right at the end of the game with a consular army and scipio africanus, but only had one horse and one cohort left, both in a weak state of mind. And some other battles are a nightmare like parthia or scythia unless the enemy leader marches in front and you can kill him quickly.

Not to mention the randomness of sea battles, you attack a fleet and it says says 50 ships, then load the game, attack it again and now it says 135 or something. Strange or ???

And also the roaming hordes of barbarians, they attack anywhere, anytime, and it's really hard to keep every conquered province, I managed to do it, but only after numerous reloads.

And also I don't get the naval battles, what's the point of galleys, I only ever used fleets of 100-200 triremes, and even so, the naval battles were random most of the time, for example how many ships you kill as opposed to how many you lose.

Also what's very difficult is the farther out east you move, the more wimpy the provinces are, and it's difficult to replenish consular armies. At the end, I had 2 active consular armies, one led by Scipio Africanus (I Ital) and the second (I Dac) was led by Cornelius Scipio. I had a third consular army defending rome I think, but maybe it died? (led by Marius).

Also I used a kind of a trick, my second and third consular armies had crap leaders, so I attacked barbarian tribes and killed my leaders until I randomed the other two good ones, cornelius scipio and marius. It's a bit sly I know, but consular armies really are pointless if you don't have a good leader to command them, because they are so huge, the units just get in the way of each other.

And not to mention at the beginning I milked the gambling for chariot racing big time, it got boring after a while, but it's the only way to make money if you're not plundering, and waiting for taxes is too slow. And when Rome wanted games, I used a 10 talent gladiator vs a 10 talent big cat, and low blocked until max happiness, then low swiped, it's so cheap for 20 talents, again a bit of an exploit but what the hell, it's there so use it.

All in all, it's a great game, but EXTREMELY difficult on emperor mode, even with reloads, and without reloads, I don't even want to think about it. My end stats were 14 provinces negotiated through alliance, 31 battles won, 4 lost, 81410 legionnaires killed, 96087 enemy soldiers killed, won 11 fleet battles, lost 5 fleet battles, lost 541 ships, sunk 671 enemy ships. Sponsored 33 games, entered 10 races and won 10. Collected 10152 in tributes, of which 1866 in bets, 0 plundered. Whew!

As you can see from my stats, it is obvious I reloaded a lot, and also I still haven't really got the hang of naval battles, the point of triremes and galleys, and also the point of having troops on board when engaging another enemy fleet etc.

But anyway, the first time I played this game I finished it on galley slave, and now emperor level with xxx reloads, I think I will next try legionnaire level without reloads, gonna be tough, but at least the land battles will be easier.

P.S. If anyone has any tips or suggestions on how I could improve my game on emperor level, please feel free to reply to this. Thanks.

[Picollo]

awesome game. are there any similar games?

[Luchsen]

Kingdom at War (http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/439/) is listed as similar. Which features do you like to have?

[DoomYoshi]

Lords of the Realm (http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/549/Lords+of+the+Realm.html) is very similar also.

[angry axe]

lol this plays alot like legion (or does legion play like it? :weird: )

[Guest]

So my hint is:
for the chariot race to place all your money(I think the limit you can bet is 100) and start the race...when you start(without hitting the other chariots) move to the right side of the screen as right as possible),then RUSH xD your chariot won't crush,and the others won't hit you ;) after you win a few the bets will bring you no bonus,just enter a race(don't bet anything) and crash,it will reset the "bonuses" for bets

[gumpy]

This game is very DOTC like, but of course it is, because it was made by the designer of DOTC after Cinemware folded. Graphics by Jim Sachs too!

[Guest]

P.S. If anyone has any tips or suggestions on how I could improve my game on emperor level, please feel free to reply to this. Thanks.

There's a trick to refine your coward soldiers. Raise a legion in a land with panicky or weak couraged nation than move it into a land with fierce people and sea coast. Build a fleet with only one trireme than move your bad legion onto it. The game will prompt that most of the soldiers will remain on land because they will not fit into the ship.
And that's it! They will meld with the original population and become fierce.
This way you can fill up the fierce countries wih people where you can strenghten your other legions after it. Beware of adding more people to the population than the country's maximum capacity because the extra people will disappeare. Italy may be the best choice with its max. capacity of 7000 people or more.(Sorry I can't remember exactly.)
Have fun! :)

[another__guest]

... Italy may be the best choice with its max. capacity of 7000 people or more.(Sorry I can't remember exactly.)
Have fun! :)

Not sure about the limit in Italy (6600?)

In any case Gaul can go up to 7000, and if memory serves me well, Germania's limit is 8000. And of course both are fierce. Then again, can you load troops to a transport out of Germania, not sure anymore?

Your point brings back an old discussion: if you leave a fierce country at its maximum population, the population will not grow so it's actually better to immediately use some of the inhabitants to reinforce or raise your armies. On the other hand, this probably costs you tax money...

[guestz]

Note that morale is more like a "slider" than just 5 "steps". So (I'm pulling numbers out of thin air here):

morale 0 = panicked
morale 1-3 = panicky
morale 4-6 = weak
morale 7-9 = good
morale 10-12 = fierce

People in Italia have better morale than those in Germania, for example, even though both are "fierce".

I think the Dacians have the best morale of all.

[MonsignorGabriel]

Agree with the editor: only thing good about this game are the battle sequences.

[Hawkmoon26]

Hi all! I,ve recently stumbled upon this jewel that remind me of Amiga days wheere i played this game for hours.. anyway, i've been opking in DOS version of the game and discovered that a lot of things can be altered. Basically anything that presents a number can be changed. So i was wondering, if there are still people interesting in the subject, what stuff should be changed in the game?
I have some thougths:

1. Voice range of generals: I hated to lose battle over some dull commander who couldn't cover atleast basic troop disposition. So i would make more voice 13 and 14 instead of 10 and 11, or something like that
2. Cost of ships. It was ofthen the case that you couldnt build proper fleet way untill later part of game where the fleet wasnt important anymore. So what if cost is decreased by 2,5 - 5 times?
3. Income of provinces - think i should be increased atleast 20%. its stupid that one province of citizens collects yearly tribute and can only buy half of bestiarrii show. And that is the wealthy province.
4. Cost of legions: should be increased by maybe 50% so 30 inf, 45 cav, 90 Consular. Having big armies should be expensive.
5.Increase of Inf and CAV legion from 4200 to 4800 troops. In early game i always felt troops were unadequate, while later Consular armies can take anything. By increasing starting troops it would make balanced game.
6. Increase of barbarian forces. Anyone noticed gemans and Gauls dont depoly cavalry? it is historically inaccurate, so that should be changed.
7. I've found out that limits of the game is 16 units of inf and cav + up to 6 units of elephants. However if you add 17 unit, it will replace commander, so it could be used for improving historically unlikely scenario of commander charging into Roman legions and dying.

Anything else comes in your minds?

[jonatas]

Hi all! I,ve recently stumbled upon this jewel that remind me of Amiga days wheere i played this game for hours.. anyway, i've been opking in DOS version of the game and discovered that a lot of things can be altered. Basically anything that presents a number can be changed. So i was wondering, if there are still people interesting in the subject, what stuff should be changed in the game?
I have some thougths:

1. Voice range of generals: I hated to lose battle over some dull commander who couldn't cover atleast basic troop disposition. So i would make more voice 13 and 14 instead of 10 and 11, or something like that
2. Cost of ships. It was ofthen the case that you couldnt build proper fleet way untill later part of game where the fleet wasnt important anymore. So what if cost is decreased by 2,5 - 5 times?
3. Income of provinces - think i should be increased atleast 20%. its stupid that one province of citizens collects yearly tribute and can only buy half of bestiarrii show. And that is the wealthy province.
4. Cost of legions: should be increased by maybe 50% so 30 inf, 45 cav, 90 Consular. Having big armies should be expensive.
5.Increase of Inf and CAV legion from 4200 to 4800 troops. In early game i always felt troops were unadequate, while later Consular armies can take anything. By increasing starting troops it would make balanced game.
6. Increase of barbarian forces. Anyone noticed gemans and Gauls dont depoly cavalry? it is historically inaccurate, so that should be changed.
7. I've found out that limits of the game is 16 units of inf and cav + up to 6 units of elephants. However if you add 17 unit, it will replace commander, so it could be used for improving historically unlikely scenario of commander charging into Roman legions and dying.

Anything else comes in your minds?

Wich tool you used to open the Centurion files ?

[The Fifth Horseman]

It's possible he did all changes with a hex editor or programmed the tools himself.

[geppo32]

I was playing with hex editor while working on the italian translation of the game, and discovered some funny things. The same things discovered by hawkmoo26, actually: every number in game can be altered.
I didn't program any tool, just plain hex-editing.

As a guest pointed out, morale has specific value for all provinces:
0-24 Panicky
25-49 weak
50-74 good
75-99 fierce

For example DACIA has 90 (best), Italy 75 and mauretania 20 (worst).
Any info can be found into OVL0.olv at 0x1066c (27 groups of 32 bytes)

Here is the first group, Italy. The army numbers refer to the force you'd fight against in case of rebellion.
Legionnaries, cavalry, max legio, max cav, Population, max pop,? ,? ,morale, ?, Elephants, etcetera

Italia 7017 2C01 7017 2C01 8813 581B 00 00 4B 50 00 0A 0A 20 00 08 01 04 00 04 05 00 01 00 00 00
6000 300 6000 300 5000 7000 0 0 75 80 0 10 10 32 0 8 1 4 0 4 5 0 1 0 0 0

Is there anyone still interested in modding the game?

[geppo32]

'tis funnier that way, is it not?
cit.

[Japo]

Well that's just h4x :p

I can even justify the limited voice of the generals, even if Romans used trumpets and so to communicate. It just represents that some generals were less competent at getting a full picture of the battle and direct the whole army's tactics rather than one squad at a time. Of course if you have to use those generals you must choose good starting formations and orders to let other squads operate automatically.

Also Romans never fought with only cavalry beyond smaller squads. They didn't organize such legions, only some Eastern barbarians (Scythians etc.) used cavalry exclusively.

What I would like is being able to combine more than one legion, the Romans did it. Depending on difficulty level some Eastern provinces have armies impossible to defeat with one legion. You have to wear them down by sacrificing one legion then attack again with another one and so on. This makes no sense.

Of course that goes beyond hex editing... The game is this way mostly due to hardware limitations of the time.

[geppo32]

Well that's just h4x :p
:p
Just messing and playing... :smile2:

I've tried a game starting with that cavalry... by 260AC I was knocking on Egypt's doors... funny but waay too broken.
I didn't mean to break the game, I was just playing with hex and wondering if some minor changes could've been made to enhance the experience.
Minor like adding cavalry to Germany or lessen ship costs.
I've completed games with no naval battles at all. In my experience, if a game feature isn't used by the player it's probably "broken". What do you think?
A fleet that can board a full consular army must have 42 galleons. According to ship costs, a fleet of Galleons would costs 840 talents. A HUGE amount of money!

Calcs for Tri, Quinqueremes and galleons (per consular army 6000inf + 600cav):
8400/50=168 , 168*5=840 talents
8400/100=84 , 84*10=840 talents
8400/200=42 , 42*20=840 talents

Thinking to lessen these costs should not broke the gameplay, I hope.
5-10-20 => 4-8-16 or 3-5-10?


Anyway, that's how German army should look like:

[Japo]

You can probably find info somewhere about the cost of ships... But I dunno they were very expensive

[geppo32]

In real life, yes, they were VERY expensive.

[Japo]

And nobody said the game's finances are realistic, what with the whole income of the Empire coming from bets at the circus :p

[RayChas]

Hi, could someone explain the pros/cons of the various land battle formations and tactics? The game's manual apparently doesn't cover them.

[gparedes76]

Old thread, but this issue seems to have raised a lot of questions, so here is an answer.

Many people have inquired how to ally with Cyrenaica. Basically, you need to lose some territories and then regain them in order to make them ally with you. This is what works for me so far:

By "losing a territory" I mean losing it to a marauding army. Losing it due to rebellions does not seem to work for me.
The territories must not be ones that are wealthy, or ones that have Fierce soldiers. If you lose one of these territories, Cyrenaica will be unwilling to ally with you, even if you regain it immediately. Usually, I try to lose and regain the mediocre territories close to Italia (such as Alpes, Dalmatia, and Narbonensis), which will not make Cyrenaica refuse me.
After you lose each territory, you must move in an army and regain it immediately.
You must lose (and regain) 2-3 territories in this fashion.
The interval between territory losses must not be too long (I'd say 2 turns to be on the safe side).
You must march into Cyrenaica very shortly after you have lost and regained your second or third territory.
The command sequence with Cyrenaica is Friendly - Friendly - Offer Alliance - Low. As mentioned in another comment, if the response to your first command is something like "We welcome our fellow brigand. We are as brothers" this means you are on the right path.

Additional requirements:

You must march in with at least a Cavalry-sized army.
You need some rank (worked for me with General rank).
You need at least some victories against high-quality opponents (such as Carthago, Macedonia, or Parthia) before Cyrenaica (or any other country, for that matter) is willing to ally with you.

[Virus Maximus]

Hi,
I've a question regarding chariots. It seems to me, that my chariot accelerates slower, than do opponents. Also, accelerating by keyboard is slower, than by mouse. What is your experience?

I'm playing via DOSBOX. I've tried FreeDos in VirtualBox with same results.

Is there any way to get comparable acceleration to AI chariots, so that one doesn't have to use the go-to-the-far-right-and-rush exploit?

[romcha]

Have problem with isles conquest. Can't move legion from ships to land.
https://ibb.co/mvjQBQ3
How it can be done? I can move ship from sea to sea, but can't understand how to move legion from ship to Britanica/Sardinia.

And the answer is: Right mouse button. To move troops from ship to land.