Pirates! [Archive]

WolverineDK

11-01-2006, 03:38 AM

Originally posted by Nightkin@Jan 10 2006, 11:23 PM
Woho!
The Amiga-Version looked so much better, its unbelievable :blink:
Yeah, but the game is different too on some points, when it comes to divide the plunder.

I just can´t remember what it was precisely, but the Amiga version has some differences when you compare the C64 and pc original. With the Amiga version. And I love the Amiag version too.

And well I have played the C64 version alot ! and the Amiga version alot !

and the pc original is just like the C64 version, so any takers for the NES version ? ;-) :)

Sorry I think I am a geek :)

Gamefreak

11-01-2006, 07:29 AM

The NES version had better graphics, that's for sure. And it had music, too, sounded better than here on PC speaker.

Authorman

11-01-2006, 07:49 AM

I was just wondering, is there some sort of trick to the sword battles? I checked a FAQ for the game (the only one I could find was for the NES version) and it had the left right to move back and forth and the up down to raise/lower the sword. It also had weak attack and strong attack buttons. Are also attack buttons for the PC version? Please help, I'm losing at least 80% of them on the lowest difficulty.

Guest

11-01-2006, 09:18 AM

Yes, I think enter is used as the joystick button and if you're holding it while moving you make the strong attack (otherwise it's the weak attack). The long attacks take longer then the short ones, but they are more effective.

You can look at the manual for Pirates Gold (it's also on this site) - the fighting system is the same.

Ramidel

11-01-2006, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by Authorman@Jan 11 2006, 08:49 AM
I was just wondering, is there some sort of trick to the sword battles? I checked a FAQ for the game (the only one I could find was for the NES version) and it had the left right to move back and forth and the up down to raise/lower the sword. It also had weak attack and strong attack buttons. Are also attack buttons for the PC version? Please help, I'm losing at least 80% of them on the lowest difficulty.
My normal strategy, which reliably wins at Journeyman difficulty and wins even matches at Adventurer, is to grab a cutlass and slash away. Degenerate but effective.

Mongi

11-01-2006, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Ramidel @ Jan 11 2006, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Authorman @ Jan 11 2006, 08:49 AM
I was just wondering, is there some sort of trick to the sword battles? I checked a FAQ for the game (the only one I could find was for the NES version) and it had the left right to move back and forth and the up down to raise/lower the sword. It also had weak attack and strong attack buttons. Are also attack buttons for the PC version? Please help, I'm losing at least 80% of them on the lowest difficulty.
My normal strategy, which reliably wins at Journeyman difficulty and wins even matches at Adventurer, is to grab a cutlass and slash away. Degenerate but effective.
Yup - that's the greatest game in the series!!!

As for the swordplay. It's very simple indeed - just like in Prince of Persia (remember that one), simply wait for your opponent's attack, parry, then strike back! Works every time at any level of difficulty.

I never managed to become Royal Advisor, though. Wonder what it takes to achieve this status.

Sebatianos

11-01-2006, 10:27 AM

Oh yes, I should probably mention that the RAPIR is the weakest of all weapons. I usually use the longsword (but you need some skill for that), but the cutless is the easiest to use.

Mongi

11-01-2006, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Sebatianos@Jan 11 2006, 11:27 AM
Oh yes, I should probably mention that the RAPIR is the weakest of all weapons. I usually use the longsword (but you need some skill for that), but the cutless is the easiest to use.
Uh.... Rapier actually has the longest strike-distance.... I actually prefer it!

Old School Gamer

11-01-2006, 06:03 PM

Ah a truly great classic. :OK: I must agree that a raiper is the fastest and the longest reaching weapon. Just slash hard and low and at his kneecap and you will not get hit...(well most of the time). Beside if you get into a slashing match with a sabre at close quarters, you will see your health go from fine, good, fair and poor really fast. :wall: Stay healthy and poke them at the kneecap from
a-far, to enjoy the game a lot longer. :bleh:

mahahelel

11-01-2006, 06:14 PM

I have been playing games for around 18 years now and this game and civ 2 have monopolized most of my time. There is without a doubt one of the greatest games ever made.

Michilus_nimbus

11-01-2006, 07:27 PM

Finally, I found it!
I played this game when I was around the age of 5 on the NES (the German version, so I always had to harass my dad to translate everything :D ). I absolutely loved it, but I just couldn't remember it's name.
Now, looking at the screenshots on Abandonia, I recognized it.
Great fun, this game!

Authorman

11-01-2006, 11:00 PM

Thanks! The stab 'em in the knees plan is working beautifully!

Ramidel

12-01-2006, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by Mongi @ Jan 11 2006, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by Sebatianos @ Jan 11 2006, 11:27 AM
Oh yes, I should probably mention that the RAPIR is the weakest of all weapons. I usually use the longsword (but you need some skill for that), but the cutless is the easiest to use.

Uh.... Rapier actually has the longest strike-distance.... I actually prefer it!

The rapier has the longest distance, yes, but as mentioned above it's the weakest. And you want to knock your opponent down and out -quickly- in a fight, particularly if you play like I do and pit pinnaces against pirate-hunter galleons (don't laugh, pinnaces are my fave ship for most everything except hauling cargo). If you fight with a rapier, you get knocked down to the last man too quickly, and then one hit finishes you. The rapier is a joke in my mind for this reason.

Okay, I take that back. There's one use for a rapier, and that's if you have the enemy significantly outnumbered and are reducing an oversized crew before dividing plunder. Then, get the momentum, play defensive with the rapier, and degenerate your foe to one man. (Beware! The rapier cannot quickly recapture lost morale, so any damage you take when using a rapier is harder to reclaim.)

I normally use the cutlass because of the speed of battle, which translates to fewer losses. Slash, slash, slash, and any opponent that isn't the creme de la creme is on the run.

Now, if I guess that the opponent is a very strong one but I'm not grossly outnumbered, I'll use the longsword. Reason being, my opponent might use the cutlass. The paper-rock-scissors, in theory, is Rapier>Longsword>Cutlass>Rapier. -But-, the AI is worse than the player, so the most dangerous threat to the player is a cutlass-to-cutlass high-speed duel which the player could lose to a single early miscalculation and a failure to disengage. Longsword, however, can control the cutlass and bring down the opponent given enough time, and if you're not grossly outnumbered you have that time. If you face a rapier or longsword, pretend you're using a weaker cutlass.

Meanwhile, if you're badly outnumbered and facing a strong opponent...no, you're not stupid, but you're taking a gamble. Congratulations, you've gotten into the spirit of Pirates! In this case, back to the cutlass. If he takes a cutlass, you fight a speed-cutlass duel, you take your chances, and you seize that galleon with few losses...or you get your behind handed to you in a light wine sauce. If he's using a rapier, you've won already, if he's using a longsword, you've probably won.

(This strategy is alluded to in the Memoirs of Cap'n Sydney, but the reasoning behind it isn't explicitly mentioned like it is here.)

As to the comment on health dropping: No, you do not get wounds just by taking hits, you take wounds by losing battles or getting sunk.

laiocfar

12-01-2006, 03:18 AM

I got a version of this wonderfull game from some place on the net that i didn´t remeber and it got two bugs. Firstly, there is a gold limit, 6890000 gc, maybe with a zero more or less, but if u pass this limit u turn to zero and your money dissapears. :rant:
Secondly, there is bug that makes imposible to save and load. Cuz when u reload a previous saved game, u lose most of your saved gold and land acres. U can never be very rich, no way to do it.
Are they fixed in this version?

About weapons, a good player will no care of weaponary, even u can assault Panama or La Habana (400-500 men) with only 200 and win by being too fast and too furious with the sword. There are legends of Pirates!´s players that says that its a Rapier>Longsword>Cutlass>Rapier(already explained), others mystics found that the rapier gives the longest range but the weaker strike, the cutlass the harder strike but shorter range and the longsword its just mediem range with medium strike. In facts, the last explanation its true in Pirates Gold(also in Abandonia) and Pirates 2(fans made version of Pirates! difficult to find but i got it). The chosen one, me, just don´t know what do each weapon but i am good enough to have no problems using all of them. :D

Guest

12-01-2006, 03:58 AM

the c64 version was wonderful..i bought the tape version :blink: when it came out (i didnt have a disk drive at the time)..but i have so many memories of traveling around the carribean..:D

i bought Pirates Gold on budget but didnt play it much, so, as this is as close to the c64 version, i look forward to trying it out!

Guest

12-01-2006, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by WolverineDK @ Jan 11 2006, 04:38 AM

Originally posted by Nightkin @ Jan 10 2006, 11:23 PM
Woho!
The Amiga-Version looked so much better, its unbelievable* O.o
Yeah, but the game is different too on some points, when it comes to divide the plunder.

I just can´t remember what it was precisely, but the Amiga version has some differences when you compare the C64 and pc original. With the Amiga version. And I love the Amiag version too.

The Amiga version let you divide your party, if I recall correctly. You could split your army/armada/whatever, take off in a sloop, divide the plunder, and when you came back all your men would be happy again. It made taking over towns a cinch.

Pirates! is THE abandonware game for me. Whenever people say that its just misty-eyed reminiscing that causes us to think that old games are so good, I point to Pirates! It's the real deal. As playable today as it was back in the late 80's when I played it to death on C64.

Firaxis' new version Sid Meier's Pirates! is great also. If you're a fan of the series and want to play the same game with fancy graphics, check it out.

Guest

12-01-2006, 09:56 AM

F*ckin best game ever!
Period.

Ramidel

12-01-2006, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by laiocfar @ Jan 12 2006, 04:18 AM
I got a version of this wonderfull game from some place on the net that i didn´t remeber and it got two bugs. Firstly, there is a gold limit, 6890000 gc, maybe with a zero more or less, but if u pass this limit u turn to zero and your money dissapears. :rant:
Secondly, there is bug that makes imposible to save and load. Cuz when u reload a previous saved game, u lose most of your saved gold and land acres. U can never be very rich, no way to do it.
Are they fixed in this version?

About weapons, a good player will no care of weaponary, even u can assault Panama or La Habana (400-500 men) with only 200 and win by being too fast and too furious with the sword. There are legends of Pirates!´s players that says that its a Rapier>Longsword>Cutlass>Rapier(already explained), others mystics found that the rapier gives the longest range but the weaker strike, the cutlass the harder strike but shorter range and the longsword its just mediem range with medium strike. In facts, the last explanation its true in Pirates Gold(also in Abandonia) and Pirates 2(fans made version of Pirates! difficult to find but i got it). The chosen one, me, just don´t know what do each weapon but i am good enough to have no problems using all of them. :D
What you're mostly doing is quoting my opinions ^_^

"Fast and furious sword-hacking" is a cutlass specialty and a pinnace can take Cartagena if you're fast enough and good enough with it.

And the traits of the weapons mentioned are -why- the rock-paper-scissors dichotomy exists. Try it yourself and see what I mean.

Guest_Hari Seldon

12-01-2006, 10:39 PM

:OK: Great Game :OK:

Played it till piggs flew on C64 AND made it to Royal Advisor :cheers:

The trick is to find your family members as quick as possible and divide the plunder then.

Years back, we drew a map of the game. Challenged everything and discoverd that if you find all of your family within a year (no matter the marriage, land or title), you get into the high rankings.

Then again, that's not the fun part.

Just let me be a Morgan PiratE!

laiocfar

13-01-2006, 05:17 AM

Beliveme Ramidel, i am not coping u and i tried the the rock-paper-scissors dichotomy but not result, it looks like there isn´t going to come to clear the weapons working in the game.
By the way, Kosta or some other divine power can upload a caribean map, it will be usefull to no Pirates gold players. It reminds me playing the game with a book of pirates near to check maps of each age.
About Sir Henry Morgan (a funny tale from the map´s book):
-When Morgan took over Portobello (7/16/1668, he asked to Panama´s governor a sum of 100.000 gc for don´t raze the city. The gobernor told him that he will not spend the king´s money in a single pirate and asked how a band of criminals could take over the fort of Portobello. Morgan send him a pistol and two bullets, also a letter that reads as follows "...with this i took over Portobello, in a year i will go for take my weapons to Panama...". The peace teatry of 7/8/1670 between Spain and England don´t stoped Morgan from raid Santa Catalina the 22 of deceber of these year. THe strange was that no side taked any loss in that battle, you can imagine what happened? Well read this "...I will surrender this town beacause i don´t got enopugh troops to defend it from yours. I ask to Almirant Morgan that we carry on a little trick to mantain the honor of my officers and my person. There is also a "battle" plan in the letter from the governor.
8 of Jan of 1671, Morgan and his army(1400 mens) reach Panama. In front of the city, there are 2000 men of the city´s garrison and the silver train guard. The spanish cavalry attack ended when the pirates fired at them killing the 500 mounted soldiers. The battle is about end and the spanish dont made a single shot, when the governor played his secret weapon: an horde of buffalos. But the animals were scared by the pirate´s fire and turned against the defenders ending the battle even quicker. Nobody knows what happened with the two bullets and the Morgan´s gun.-
Anyway Morgan was the worst pirate beacause he was the first that doublecrossed his own people, when he took near 5 millons of spanish coronas(a type gc) of the panama´s bouty (6.000.000 gc).

Gamefreak

13-01-2006, 07:05 AM

Oh yes, I remember that the NES version of the game had the ingame map, selectable to view somewhere in the options.

TheChosen

13-01-2006, 11:21 AM

This game is a lot better than Pirates! gold.

Ramidel

13-01-2006, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by laiocfar@Jan 13 2006, 06:17 AM
By the way, Kosta or some other divine power can upload a caribean map, it will be usefull to no Pirates gold players. It reminds me playing the game with a book of pirates near to check maps of each age.
Try getting the manual and using the coordinates in the end. That's all the map I need ^_^

*Happy*

13-01-2006, 10:28 PM

About the swords debate:

A true pirate uses a Cutlass!

Couple it with skill at swordfighting to offset its slow speed and you're almost unstoppable.

Mr.devil

14-01-2006, 01:18 AM

:cry: Everythin I try to do to win fights I lose no matter what even if it is at one. I also lose the begining fight every time even when I score dozens of hits he hits me once and that is it

HELP

laiocfar

14-01-2006, 04:49 AM

Are u sure that u are u and him is him. ;)
Maybe the game is running too fast in your computer, try dosbox in lower cicles. Is easy to beat the AI in fights but if u are the only one that is still alive, a hit = u lose.

A true pirate uses a Cutlass!

And a true Sealord uses a Rapier (Remeber of the Sailors or Sealords of the captain Grammont)

And a true corsair uses a Longsword.

Just choise an style and u will got your weapon.
Any news about bugs of this game?(Save bug and gc bug)

commanderkeen

14-01-2006, 09:18 PM

I Love This Game!
I got it ages ago on a floppy i found.
How do you Manage the land invasions on forts?They are so awful.
And Where is a good place to find answers to those questions at the beginning?

Deth

15-01-2006, 04:37 AM

on keyboard how do you switch parties? :eeeeeh:

Yobor

15-01-2006, 04:48 AM

A true pirate uses his hook and pegleg! But besides that, a cool game.

Guest

16-01-2006, 12:05 PM

anyone have a map for this game? I always get lost a sea with no food looking for a new city to plunder/trade with/contact a spy/find a sibling in. I'm really tired of the Santo Domingo-St.Kitts cruises. :sos:

Sebatianos

16-01-2006, 12:38 PM

Err, have you considered looking at an Atlas (or an online map of the caribean)? The maps are quite accurate. But the cities are the ones of the historical era (so only 3 cities on the whole of Cuba...).

laiocfar

16-01-2006, 09:05 PM

Sebatianos, i got a map with all the cities if u tell me how upload it. And what happened to your avatar?

St Domingo is at south in the Espa?ola (Haiti/Dominica Rep island) where also u found villages as Tortuga, Petit goave, Leonage. St Kittys its one of the english island/city of the lesser Antillas at north of Guadalupe and Martinica, and at south of holland island St Eutasius and St Martins, and at southeast of San Juan (Puerto Rico). THe best to play its got a map of Caribe and add some cities that no more exist or just aren´t big to appear in a modern map.

TheChosen

17-01-2006, 12:17 PM

I have the original Pirates! map.

Shall i upload it?

Mongi

17-01-2006, 02:30 PM

1. Smdy showed off by saying "pinnace+skill = victory". HAH! I'd like to see that guy attacking Cartagena from sea on the Swashbuckler level or, for that matter, combatting pirate hunter on a frigate. The reason both are impossible is 'cuz no matter how good you are at navigation and gunnery one hit - u'r dead. Now, it IS possible to become very good at avoiding cannon blasts, but that means a lot of maneuvers and, since the battle map is very limited, u ALWAYS either get hit because of getting too close or u sail too far away and the hunter safely takes one of your ships away.
2. Swordplay. Guyz, C'MON, it is plain IMPOSSIBLE to win in a fight when manpower of the enemy is 2.5 times+ than yours, whichever weapon u use (Of course, I'm talking only 'bout highest difficulty level here). So, getting back to that pinnace stuff, I'd very much like to see how would that guy would conquer any Spanish port with garrison 250 soldiers and higher with 64 pirates on board.
3. Ur party has more than 350.000 gold, the game goes nutz. A bug, sadly. Don't forget to divide the plunder regularly.
4. Here, thankfully, it's possible to achieve the highest rank without spending ur life in searching for family members. Just get all the ranks from every nation, status of "extremely wealthy", no wounds and "daring and bold captain" reputation - bingo, u'r king's advisor.
5. U, actually, can save in any town if u marched (not sneaked) into it. Since, EVERY single town will eventually let you in (just try several time the option "march into the town", it will for a number of times "fire at you" but they'll obviously get tired of it and open the gates after all. Oh, and do this from land! :D), the game turns out to be pretty easy and safe to play.
6. The best part is that u can play as pirate-hunter. U catch a bunch of pirates - u bring them to governor of the corresponding closest(!) colony) - u get ranks and land.
7. and final. "Wit and Charm" is totally and absolutely useless. Dot.

Sebatianos

17-01-2006, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by laiocfar@Jan 17 2006, 12:05 AM
Sebatianos, i got a map with all the cities if u tell me how upload it. And what happened to your avatar?
My avatar... Well, there's a little AVATAR game we're playing (different theme every week - this week it's games from 1996 - I chose Spycraft - see the signature).

About the map - you can always email it to me (sebatianos@yahoo.co.uk) and I'll upload it (you'll be given full credit off course).

Dark Piedone

17-01-2006, 07:28 PM

Aye, great game, but I preffer the Pirates Gold

Gamefreak

17-01-2006, 08:39 PM

Same here. Better graphics there and nice music, too. Although Pirates! Gold has it's own bug, too. It's when you save, and if you load the game later after you restart the game, it crashes forever and appears to be ruined.

Sebatianos

17-01-2006, 09:27 PM

Never noticed that one... I've mine on CD and it always failed to crash (love both versions, but prefer some stuf in the original).

Guest

18-01-2006, 11:42 PM

DUDE!

This game sucks. I just defeated a guy who gave me a map to find my sister right? Afterwards, it asks me which country I want to give control of the town to...

BUT...

I can't choose one 'cause it froze up. What's with every game I get from here being freakin' awesome untill I get a lame bug that ruins the whole experience for me? :not_ok:

Sebatianos

19-01-2006, 12:28 PM

I don't know, but maybe your computing skills are the ones that SUCK (your attitude obviously does)? :sneaky:

These are OLD games that were made for MS-DOS (an old operating system, that's not generally used anymore). This may cause problems and that's the bueaty of this site - we try to give advice on how to fix those problems. But usually people are a bit more polite when coming here with a problem about a game. :ranting:

So, to help you any further, you need to tell us what OS you're using, if you're using any emulators (etc.).

Guest

19-01-2006, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by Sebatianos@Jan 19 2006, 01:28 PM
I don't know, but maybe your computing skills are the ones that SUCK (your attitude obviously does)? :sneaky:

These are OLD games that were made for MS-DOS (an old operating system, that's not generally used anymore). This may cause problems and that's the bueaty of this site - we try to give advice on how to fix those problems. But usually people are a bit more polite when coming here with a problem about a game. :ranting:

So, to help you any further, you need to tell us what OS you're using, if you're using any emulators (etc.).
Oohh, burn! I feel so humbled. LOL

And yeah brah, I know what DOS is, you don't have to explain it to me. I'm surprised you didn't tell me what a "computer" is.

Also, if I had asked for helped, I would've provided the information needed. However, I asked for no help. I was just commenting on how lame it is that little bugs can ruin otherwise great games.

Take your 'Big brother with a helping hand' crusade somewhere else, as my post was merely a statement, and not a plea for help.

Booyah.

Gamefreak

19-01-2006, 10:24 PM

Heh, funny. Calm down, you two. Bugs exist in every game so that's nothing unusual, and it's neither a fault of this site that the games have bugs.

Guest

19-01-2006, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Gamefreak@Jan 19 2006, 11:24 PM
Heh, funny. Calm down, you two. Bugs exist in every game so that's nothing unusual, and it's neither a fault of this site that the games have bugs.
Yeah I love this site, I was just cryin' over the fact I put a good 45 minutes into accomplishing something to have it pissed away.

40% my fault for not saving, 60% God's fault for hating me. :D

Guest

19-01-2006, 11:33 PM

ALSO, people were talking about uploading the map, but there isn't one on the site for this version. Just download the map from the Gold version. Same difference.

They also have the map on this site, as well as some really good tips and information. I recomend checking it out. Plus it's got links to historical information on real Pirates of the era, so that's a plus.

http://frigate.free.fr/index.html

Just

25-03-2006, 02:03 PM

Hey All!

I'm a french oldies gamer ^^!

I can't believe that I find out about this game :D! I played it when I was height years old ^^!

I launch it with dosbox and D-Fend... but I can't play with mouse O_o! I remember that I used mouse when I played it an my Atari ST... not possible on PC version?

Thanks for answering ^^.

laiocfar

26-03-2006, 09:01 AM

try coute mouse or ct mouse, it is for pure DOS but it works to me. :OK:

Blank_box

20-06-2006, 09:23 AM

Hey! Have anyone encountered this problem? :huh:

I use dosbox 0.65 for window. It always clushed after I have finished first enemy captain in EGA mode(but play well in CGA and Tandy.)

When the in town screen shown up. If I choose any option in the screen, it always end up with grey box on blue screen. :blink:

I'm real fan of Sid's games. And I have tried all sequels of this game (of course, except this one.) And I wanna try this one too. The only way for me (now) is play it in CGA mode (but I'd like to play in EGA. It's really nice. I've seen the screen capture on the page.)

Please, if there are any solution, tell me.

P.S. I have tried both reduce and increase CPU cycles between 800 - 8000.

The Fifth Horseman

20-06-2006, 12:09 PM

Check in DosBox.conf, dude.

Blank_box

21-06-2006, 09:43 AM

Umnn... :unsure:

I'm sure that I don't know much about Dosbox.conf but I think that I have tried a lot of it. (I have tried to change graphic engine, sound, CPU.... but not all of them.)

I still need somebody to help me more about DosBox.conf..... so please if you can.

However, I don't mind about playing in CGA mode (Hey... It's not that bad).

Perhaps, I have to re-download it again, hoping that I can fix this.

The Fifth Horseman

21-06-2006, 10:08 AM

There is an official FAQ here (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php). Has everything about the config file and its subtleties.

Blank_box

21-06-2006, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by the_fifth_horseman @ Jun 21 2006, 10:08 AM

There is an official FAQ here (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php). Has everything about the config file and its subtleties.

Thanks!! Guy.

The Fifth Horseman

21-06-2006, 11:51 AM

If you solve your problem, remember to post here how did you do it.
You know, if anybody has the same problem later.

Blank_box

22-06-2006, 08:19 AM

I still need time to try with DOSbox.conf. If I have any solution in the DOSbox.conf, I will tell.

But I have primary solution for playing in EGA mode now. First, I have to create character in CGA mode. And save then load it in EGA mode.

This time I can play it in EGA without crashed when in town screen (don't sure that it will error again in other section or not... :huh: ).

Grand Dad

22-06-2006, 09:36 AM

Sid Meier has updated Pirates, fine...but the charm of the original (CGA/EGA) is unbeatable :OK:

somepeople

23-06-2006, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Nightkin @ Jan 11 2006, 12:23 AM

Woho!
The Amiga-Version looked so much better, its unbelievable O.o

Altho the new version looks even better then that, the only problem is with the new one, It seemed to have lost alot of gameplay the old versions had.

Guest_Martin_*

10-07-2006, 11:05 AM

Hi there!

Maybe somebody can help me with a big problem:

Although I attack only ships and cities my country is in war with, my home cities start to open the fire on me while trying to sail back in the harbour! Does anybody know the reason for that? Could it be that the pirates I've captuerd and hold for ransom are a reason?

Thx for help

Martin

laiocfar

12-07-2006, 10:29 PM

Too high fame inspire fear even in your allies and this can result in friendly forts open fire to your ships. But check that you got a friendly stance with them its rare when entering to neutral ports and few times it can be in allied ports.

Japo

14-07-2006, 12:40 AM

Friendly ports firing at you? I can't remember such thing, and I was "infamous" most of the time. Haven't you attacked any ship or city of that nation?

Guest_Martin_*

14-07-2006, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Japofran @ Jul 14 2006, 12:40 AM

Friendly ports firing at you? I can't remember such thing, and I was "infamous" most of the time. Haven't you attacked any ship or city of that nation?

No, not at all. The only thing I can imagine is that when my country makes peace with another I realize that too late and attack cities and ships. But I never attack my own nation!

laiocfar

14-07-2006, 08:29 PM

Attack ypur nation´s allies is like to attack your comrades.
Edit, i dont wanna said that ports with friendly stance will shot but french dukes can with shooted from french ports is their stance isnt friendly.
There are some levels beyond infamous but is so hard to keep them that dont applies most of times.
Maybe i am missconfusing with Pirates gold

Japo

14-07-2006, 11:11 PM

Originally posted Guest_Martin_* @ Jul 14 2006, 09:34 PM

No, not at all. The only thing I can imagine is that when my country makes peace with another I realize that too late and attack cities and ships. But I never attack my own nation!

Ah of course. However you shouldn't think of any nation as "your own", you should be friendly to a country only as long as it's profitable. There's no link between your own nationality and the nations you'll be fighting for, except for the port where you start your new game. But of course you need to be friendly to at least one nation --and her allies, which change over time...

The Pirates! Gold manual mentioned "infamous" as the highest fame level.

laiocfar

15-07-2006, 02:27 AM

My main problem is that i dont remember what item comes form Pirates gold, Pirates! or Pirates II. But if the manual said so the bug must be from someother, sorry.

Japo

15-07-2006, 06:25 PM

No worries. :D Pirates! Gold is almost an exact remake of Pirates!, so I guess you're talking about Pirates II, which included many novelties. I never played that.

thebes

23-09-2006, 08:46 PM

The new pirates! is Great too! The only thing I do not care much for is the dancing although it is funny to see yourself stumbling around while the Governer laughs at you. But it is very,Very good. I love it! :monkey:

Kipsy

16-10-2006, 07:55 AM

Unfortunately I have the same problem as Blank Box. By the time I get to the first port, where-ever it may be, I'm stuck with a screen with an empty box in it. This happens in both CGA and EGA modes.

I'm using DOSBox .65 on a PC with 855mhz. I'm not familier enough with DOSbox to use DOSbox.conf. Any help would be appreciated.

The Fifth Horseman

16-10-2006, 01:23 PM

Have a look at the official FAQ (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php) on the DosBox site.

Dosbox.conf (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?page=dosbox.conf) is explained there in detail.

Japo

16-10-2006, 06:22 PM

The DOSBox homepage is down right now so I can't check, but I think that this game didn't run on v0.65, you need v0.63.

Kipsy

16-10-2006, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by Japofran @ Oct 16 2006, 01:22 PM

The DOSBox homepage is down right now so I can't check, but I think that this game didn't run on v0.65, you need v0.63.

I'll give that a shot.

Edit: Works like a charm on DOSbox v.63. Thanks for your help!

'...Red.Leader.

27-11-2006, 07:12 PM

Hey.........

Is everyone mad? How can Pirates be rated only 3.5!!!!!! by people on Adandonia?? It's all about gameplay not graphics or sound. I fear the PS2 generation probably will never understand what a great game is all about. I've played this on all systems, Amstrad CPC6128, Commodore Amiga, PC, Sega MD even a Tandy 1000!!! and it was always a belter of a game on all systems. The options open to what you can do in this game are huge and it is one of the few cherished games I still prefer to play on older systems.

ROCK ON 1660......English at war with the Spanish!!!!!!!

LOL

:titan:

Mighty Midget

27-11-2006, 07:41 PM

Oh yes, quite mad, a loaded lot of loonies, a bunch of berserk baboons, take a pick, for allowing people their own opinions :bleh: ^_^

The only remedy known to humanity is to join this dubious den of deranges dingos. Here you can do an effort to change the heathens' minds.

Ps. It is a brilliant game :OK:

Arc

07-01-2007, 10:49 PM

A guest here, indeed, but a frequent one ...

Pirates! is simply the best game I ever played on my good old C-128. (I came over from the C-16 straight). It's been so long ... but thanks to Abandonia I enjoyed the Carribean flair once again tonight :OK: (I'm reading the Hornblower-series for background information to my own literary work ... it just seemed right to plunder some ships and ports meanwhile :woot: )

--

Really feeling stupid about this but I wonder if anyone ever reached 150 Pirate points? :kosta: (Should be the maximum, I guess.) King's advisor starts at 100 but it still goes upwards - my old record was 147/150 (or was it 197 I wonder while I write this) which made me King's Advisor Duke. (If 147 doesn't reach this rank it was 197, I'm only certain about the rank and the "7" as the last number.) Trying real hard I never got nearly as high again, only in the 120+. Still perfect for being "the" Pirates! player at school at that time :brain:

--

I might get this information while checking Pirates Gold, but I miss the keyboard-commands for the sword-battles. Once I even won against 2:1 odds (yes, at swashbuckler-level), now I suck against equal opponents :wall:

Scatty

08-01-2007, 08:45 AM

The keyboard commands for sword battles in Pirates! Gold are all located on the number block on the left of the keyboard - it's the direction keys for straight directions and 7, 8, 1 and 3 for diagonal directions. 5 for parrying, I think, or maybe just walking backwards from the opponent makes you parry.

Guest

09-01-2007, 08:06 AM

Thanks alot. This way it makes much more sense than using the direction keys :whistling:

Just too bad the PC version is quite buggy. You get more than 320.000 gold pieces - Pirates! behaves funny, you sell a ship and have more men than your last galleon can carry - Pirates! behaves funny, you conquer a city a second time (the Dutch should have their first colony in the Carribean after all) - Pirates behaves ... well, I suppose the point is taken.

damfino

16-04-2007, 09:31 AM

Yay! The greatest game ever!

I have a couple of questions, though:

I used to play this on my old Atari ST... would I be better off downloading the Amiga version rather than the PC one? Or even Pirates! Gold? Although, far as I know, that was never released on the ST.

Also, in the brief time I've had to look at it, it keeps crashing - after finishing off the useless first captain, the first city screen rarely ever loads. I'm using 0.65, but should I try and get 0.63 perhaps?

Great game, though.

UPDATE: As it happens, I've just gone off and found an actual ST version (hate to say it, but it IS better than the PC equivalent... it probably benefited a lot from being released two years later). Not that I mean to criticise the wonderful Abandonia in any way. :kosta: :OK:

Guest

11-06-2007, 06:26 PM

Me and my entire family must've played over 3000 hours on this game back in the olden Commodore 64 game.
Hands down best replayable game ever.

Guest

10-07-2007, 07:22 PM

how do you get the game to play? i have it saved on my documents now what?

Mighty Midget

10-07-2007, 07:29 PM

You will need to extract the zip file, and then use DOSBox to play the game. On how to set up and use DOSBox, please read this
http://www.abandonia.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=14913

When you have read this and tried, feel free to ask if you're having problems with DOSBox or the game.

Guest

10-07-2007, 08:18 PM

HOW DO YOU ATTACK WITH AN UPWARD SLASH ALL I CAN DO IS LOWER USING A KEYBOARD

Guest

10-07-2007, 10:46 PM

can u save the game bc when i try it says OK!! but doesn't seem to do anything

Sebatianos

11-07-2007, 08:15 AM

You can only save the game when you are in the city (also make sure the folder in windows doesn't have anything ticked off - that might cause problems with creating save game files).

Japo

11-07-2007, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by Guest @ Jul 10 2007, 10:18 PM

HOW DO YOU ATTACK WITH AN UPWARD SLASH ALL I CAN DO IS LOWER USING A KEYBOARD
Numpad 7 high, 4 medium, 1 low

Guest

11-07-2007, 06:53 PM

i played this game for a while now and reached kings advisor. I was wondering if it is a glitch that i have 126/100 points in the end?

kmonster

11-07-2007, 09:30 PM

It's probably intended this way, you are not the first one with more than 100 points IIRC.

Japo

12-07-2007, 02:15 PM

Yeah in Microprose games the 100 per cent score was just conventional. Once I got 327% in Civ2, played some more, and then the variable overflowed and I started to get negative scores. LOL They should have made the variable unsigned...

ilikebigbutts

12-06-2008, 06:26 AM

This game will work on Dosbox. The problem has to do with memory allocation; to get around it, run LOADFIX.COM at the Dosbox prompt and then run the game.

warispeace

13-06-2008, 06:30 PM

I love Pirates. Probably the best Sid Meier game ever, and that's saying a lot. I only ever played Pirates! Gold. Is the original much different. I'd like to give it a try, just to compare.

Japo

13-06-2008, 07:05 PM

There's no great difference, the remake is a faithful one. Swordfights are even tougher in the original though, or maybe it's that I'm used to the Gold edition.

Chris

13-06-2008, 11:32 PM

This is a bit off topic, but there even is an "up to date" sequel called Sid Meyer's Pirates. You can buy it for around 10 euros nowadays and it is one of the few more current games I really like to play. I don't know why, maybe it is as the programmers did not try to modify or improve the gameplay, but simply kept to reprograming the old title (with few additions).

Japo

14-06-2008, 11:15 AM

Yes I bought it at amazon.co.uk for £4.84 plus shipping costs :D

Elena

05-08-2008, 01:08 PM

1. Sometimes a governor’s daughter and captured pirates tell me about mysterious Treasure Fleet and Silver Train, but I never can find them. Why?

2. I can't understand if slash (Shift+arrow keys) works in Pirates!

By the way, interesting battle on the screenshot. 1 man defeated 265 enemies :D

kmonster

05-08-2008, 08:36 PM

1. The Treasure Fleet and Silver Train move. Be happy if you find them accidentally in a town you're attacking and get more money, but it's not worth hunting after them.

Elena

06-08-2008, 08:44 AM

kmonster, thank you very much :)

karooble

06-08-2008, 04:16 PM

powdernsky

07-08-2008, 02:05 AM

The newer version is a ton of fun, even the ballroom dancing, which is arguably the most irritating part of the game. I remember sitting on my dad's knee when I was little watching him play the original -- I think I might have to go try it out! :)

Arguably, yes. I personally thought that the 'Duel Scenes' were the most irritating part of the game. The dancing didn't appeal very much to me either, but when it comes down to one of the 'key' parts of the game (like 'Dueling'), that's when it starts to bug me. They weren't as... "flavoured", as they probably should have been.

However, I can't deny that it was a really, really fun game. Classic. :laugh:

Elena

07-08-2008, 02:50 PM

We (me and my hero) got quests for 5 bandits, who had information about our sister. We defeated only 2 bandits and then recognized this place and rescued our sister. Should we search for 3 remaining bandits anyway? I guess we have more than one lost sister because of blank spots on Inca treasute map.

What key is used for exit the game? I use Alt+Esc and sometimes an error message appears. Use dosbox 0.63. Win XP SP2.

Duels are really annoying. It’s awful when you fight for 5 minutes and finally lose. Sometimes I even swear loudly :D But the game is very interesting. I play it for the first time.

The Fifth Horseman

07-08-2008, 04:33 PM

Dosbox 0.63 has been outdated for three years. Use 0.72.

kmonster

07-08-2008, 06:16 PM

We (me and my hero) got quests for 5 bandits, who had information about our sister. We defeated only 2 bandits and then recognized this place and rescued our sister. Should we search for 3 remaining bandits anyway? I guess we have more than one lost sister because of blank spots on Inca treasute map.

There are several family members to rescue. If you have enough parts of a map to know where to search, make sure you get the treasure before getting new hints.
This way you'll get a part of a new treasure map instead.

Elena

08-08-2008, 12:19 AM

The Fifth Horseman, Pirates! runs correctly only in dosbox 0.63. I’ve solved error message problem. Just deleted one dosbox version, I had two.

kmonster, thanks :)

Danjuro

23-12-2008, 04:34 PM

Greetings

I am running a version of Pirates (432.03) that appear to work fine in later versions of DOSBox (including 0.72), but when run in Tandy mode with what appears to be a proper configuration, I get an all black sea, excepting for the occasional waves.
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/306/pirates001uy9.th.png (http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pirates001uy9.png)

This is a bit sad.
Anybody experienced this and found a way around it?
I really want to enjoy those C64-like tunes in the gorgeous PC version ;)

I tried the version hosted on Abandonia, with DOSBox 0.63 (as it crashes in 0.72, as it was reported a number of times here), but I experienced the same issue, plus some wacky colors during fights.
Any help really appreciated.

The Fifth Horseman

23-12-2008, 04:53 PM

Are you sure this version is supposed to be Tandy-compatible to begin with?

Fubb

23-12-2008, 04:56 PM

Maybe its night time?

heh.

Um, sometimes when i go to duel, my little shield thingies will just start going down, doown, doooown. Any help? Like it happens when i attack another pirate ship or a town :(

Data

23-12-2008, 05:35 PM

0.72 reported as crashing. Is this only in tandy mode or in general ?

Fubb

23-12-2008, 06:04 PM

Data you talkin' ta me?

Japo

23-12-2008, 06:46 PM

It may crash over here, but it doesn't happen any more if I use loadfix.

Um, sometimes when i go to duel, my little shield thingies will just start going down, doown, doooown. Any help? Like it happens when i attack another pirate ship or a town :(
I see no shield thingies. You mean the sword thingies in the 1993 Gold version? This is the 1987 original.

Fubb

23-12-2008, 07:32 PM

oh oops wrong topic :p

Sorry all :p

laiocfar

24-12-2008, 02:04 PM

Oldest version also got the three swords option before combat.

Scatty

24-12-2008, 05:44 PM

What do you mean? Pirates! Gold also has the same option to choose the weapon before the combat if that's what you mean.

Elena

25-12-2008, 06:13 AM

...I get an all black sea, excepting for the occasional waves.

I tried the version hosted on Abandonia, with DOSBox 0.63 (as it crashes in 0.72, as it was reported a number of times here), but I experienced the same issue, plus some wacky colors during fights.

Try to minimize (Alt+Enter) and then maximize the dosbox window during the game. This helped me.

gumpy

17-06-2009, 05:38 PM

The only problem with this version that is downloadable here is that the picture of the ugliest governor's daughter is messed up when shown.

pirates fan

26-10-2009, 06:02 AM

if i'm not mistaken, the game should include a map with exact latitude and longitude so we could use the sun-sight, where is it? without it, we are 'sailing-blind' here..

arete

26-10-2009, 06:18 AM

Found one and added it, although any map of the Caribbean would work.

Around here, if we were organised we'd be dangerous :max: (I have that on my coffee mug).

Oskatat

11-11-2009, 07:41 PM

if fubb passes by here: thats your crew dying

you get one symbol per so many crew and while you duel the commander, they fight the enemy crew. So you can win if your crew overpowers his, or if you win the duel, or lose if you lose the duel or if you lose all your crew. After all, those 20 other crewmen are hardly going to stand by while you fight their captain, they need to be distracted

The Bloodhawk

01-10-2011, 04:12 PM

So this got a 5 and Gold version got a 4? :lol:

I'll have to compare for myself though.

Luchsen

01-10-2011, 08:55 PM

I can't speak for these games in particular, but I played quite a few enhanced versions that I found to be inferior to their originals.

kmonster

01-10-2011, 10:48 PM

The amiga version of Pirates is better than all Pirates Gold versions, even better than the amiga CD32 one.

Maxor127

02-10-2011, 12:16 PM

I agree. I didn't like Pirates Gold. I didn't like the graphics or interface and, if I remember correctly, sailing didn't really have any sound effects of the sea. I grew up playing the IIgs version, which was good, but I agree the Amiga version is probably the best that I played except I think my saves would get corrupted all the time, in UAE anyways. I like the 2004 version, but I still don't think it's as good as the original. It has better graphics, but I remember the Treasure Fleet being lame and there wasn't a Silver Train, and I didn't like how it pretty much spelled out how to get the best rank and gave you a checklist of things to do. I would've rather the game ranked you by setting points for certain accomplishments. Instead, it gets to the point where, for example, once you make all of the gold you need according to the checklist, it becomes pointless to keep gaining gold, and no matter how much more gold you get, it won't help your final rank. I don't know if the previous games were like that since it was always a mystery to me how you gained ranks. But I kind of liked that.