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Scatty, I don't necessarily agree but I respect your opinion. I should have said more dangerous because only in the last few decades has the potential for mass destruction been this great. Even during the cold war you had the feeling that the general sensibilities of those involved would keep any deliberate mass destruction from taking place. Can't say as I feel that way any longer. I am ashamed at the role that the U.S. has had in that. But, it is a global problem.
It is interesting the different perspectives of this problem that are taken by people from different parts of the world. Everyone has their own values and ideologies that are shaped largely by their experiences in life. The people from my part of the world (Midwest U.S.), in large part, agree with my take on things and it is not because we are some kind of red neck ultra-conservative right wingers. It has a lot to do with the fact that we have seen many of our privacies and freedoms being compromised by the need to monitor people walking the same streets that we do. We now have to be x rayed and patted down to get on an airplane. People grow more and more suspicious of their neighbors who might happen to have a different faith or nationality. We have to have thorough background checks to rent an apartment or get a job. Never used to be this way. Most of us resent that this has had to happen but also know that it has been made an inevitability by the acts of terrorism and the need for safety. We are angry at our own government for being so careless as to let this happen (the leak of sensitive information). Aside from that, what has set us off about this whole Assange/wikileaks thing is that what we now have to tolerate is being compromised by a group that thinks they need to be the caretakers of some sensitive checks and balances of the private citizens against the evil and corrupt goings on in our government. We already have that balance taken care of here. It is called a democratic election. People like Assange just can't seem to accept that the views they have are not held by the majority of the people. If they were, national security would not exist. That is probably why they call themselves "reporters without borders". They can't seem to come to grips with the restrictions that any civilized society would place on them. They sound like anarchists to me. Needless to say that is not an ideal that I subscribe to. Peace.
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Hey I may not always agree with this guy, but he undeniably nailed all the points. Watch this video. Also the government is never your friend. Do not trust them, they work against their people and for their self interest, wikileaks is great for exposing the misdeeds of government and information that is kept from the people that themselves chose the same government. I find the idea that people have something against the exposition of deeds of this (or any really) government that was elected by the people (and should therefore be accounted by the people that elected them cause they are the same people who are affected by their decisions) disgusting and perverse. Government should be transparent and accountable to people, I can only wish there are more of these leaks for every government in the world, perhaps then the word GOVERNMENT would take it's true meaning. Quote:
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@APFelon: In the times of internet and (dis)information... do you think FOX news' reputation which is well known in the civilized world stops @ the U.S. borders?
Knock, knock... someone there? anyone?  Last edited by KrazeeXXL; 11-12-2010 at 11:26 AM. |
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Another side effect of globalization APFelon. But sorry if I've insulted you.
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Are you looking to provoke some sort of reaction? All I asked is how you and R.U.S.S know about an American news organization and I get this from you. Why?  APf |
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Dude you picked a quote out of _r.u.s.s.' post amid a discussion of a sensitive topic.
Don't act as you weren't aware of that. You didn't ask about how we know about an american news organization in the first place but if ppl in Slovakia are able to watch FOX news. So you questioned parts of his statement and also his credibility. This quoting cumulative with your question just left me over one interpretation. (you read it above) So don't try to change your original intentions into something which makes me sound overreacting and even insulting. I'm certainly not. It's not charade here, it's a discussion. edited: grammar Last edited by KrazeeXXL; 11-12-2010 at 05:59 PM. |
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@Geezer: dude you seriously devided by zero with your posts here - there's not much I can or want to say to you just rethink and question FOX news from time to time... ah yes and
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Take it easy guys, just try to not ruin the pacific exchange of different points of view please.
 There's a thing I'm sure about, Assange became a symbol, and it's very difficult to destroy simbols, even death is useless. That's why I think arresting him is just stupid, on the contrary, you all have seen what's happening. Don't know if this is the right way to obtain transparency though, I'm sure that even Assange actions can be manipulized by media. I bet that most of the people who heard about Assange & Co didn't even bother to visit the site and accepted news as TV proposed them.
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